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HollowHorn

Gizzi hauls ice to Glenfield Street.

Someone asked about ‘Glenfield St. over on the West End site. In response, another member posted this well known photograph of ‘Gizzi’ the ice cream man.:


Quote:
Gizzi, the ice-cream man, Glasgow.
Guiseppe Gizzi, with his ice cream barrow at the corner of Wishart Street, James Orr Street and Glenfield Street, around 1937. His sales pitch covered miles of streets in Glasgow's east end where he pushed his barrow daily, switching in the winter to roasted chestnuts. The building behind the barrow is the boiler house of the Glasgow Royal Infirmary.

John Kraska Collection:
http://www.tones.demon.co.uk/Mac/index.htm

I had a look for Glenfield St. and turned up the following:

Town Plan 1892-94:


1930's:
Glenfield St. is the one marked with the red dot, it exits onto Warnock St. (pink dot) which in turn exits onto Wishart St. (blue dot)
James Orr St. is the one dotted in Orange, it exits onto Wishart St.
The top ends of Glenfield St. & James Orr St. would exit onto Alexandria Parade.






In the 'Gizzi, the ice-cream man' photo by Andrew MacDonald, the pov would seem to be looking directly up Warnock St. The 'cobbled’ exit from James Orr St. can be seen at bottom right. At first I thought that Glenfield St. originally doglegged onto what later became Warnock St. But looking at this map from 1909, it would seem that Warnock St. was already in existence.
So, is the photograph caption is wrong?
The  boiler house chimney stack can be seen in both photographs.

1909 Map:


Another view from 1933


Early / mid ‘60s (Same dot ref)



By an amazing co-incidence, this photograph surfaced  the other night, it was taken by 'Kev9' sometime during 1983/4. Apart from the hospital and the Blind Asylum immediately to it's left, everything else has gone. The low building with the cream top storey is now the multi storey car park. To the rear can be seen what is left, if anything, of the Glenfield St. area, it's too difficult to pick out the details on the buildings, the boiler house chimney stack is there as a ref.


I’m not sure when Glenfield St. & surrounding areas were demolished but the new building would appear to have been completed in 1983:
Quote:
Since 1974, the Greater Glasgow Health Board had envisaged the replacement of the original buildings with a brand new hospital, but only the first phase of this was ever realised - the New Building was completed in 1983. It is located on the north of the hospital site overlooking Alexandra Parade and the M8 motorway, and is linked to the Surgical Wing of the original Royal Infirmary building at basement level via a link corridor, with a further pedestrian entrance at lower basement level on Wishart Street (adjacent to the Necropolis).


This was the area post modern extension but pre multi storey car park:
(use the boiler house chimney stack as a ref point)








2001 / 2002
Quote:
After the closure of the Rutherglen Maternity Hospital and the Glasgow Royal Maternity Hospital, a new maternity building was added to the east of the New Building; the Princess Royal Maternity building opened in 2001. Following the closure of Canniesburn Hospital, in 2002 the Jubilee building was opened, adding purpose-built Accident & Emergency facilities and a plastic surgery unit. The Infirmary now has over one thousands beds.


Hospital site plan:
http://library.nhsggc.org.uk/medi...nt%20Information/GRI_site_map.pdf

2004:
Quote:
An evaluation was carried out in August 2004 in advance of a proposed car park. Numerous building foundations were identified, dated to the 19th century, many on the 1st edition OS map. A tunnel or drain, most likely related to the Monklands Canal Basin, constructed by 1782 and located to the N of the area, was identified in the northern part of the development area.
No original ground surfaces were identified, and it would appear that there has been extensive landscaping and terracing over the entire area. As a result, no remains dating to before the 18th or 19th centuries were identified.

Here is a modern view from 'Windows Live Local' I think that part of Glenfield St. may still partially exists as a thoroughfare. James Orr St. I would guess to have been where the orange line runs (perhaps a tad to the right). All of the new buildings are in place and the multi storey can be clearly seen. Sadly, the boiler house chimney stack has gone too


An aside on ‘Gizzi’ from  ‘jimmyd’ over on ‘The Glasgow Guide’
Quote:
Ross, re the pic of the Ice Cream man on Andrew McDonalds site. Well he lived in Bridgeton, I went to school with his kids,his cafe was in Main St ,next to the "Wee Royal" picture house, to put things into perspective,in that pic, he was up near the Royal Infirmary. So he has walked there, all the way from Bridgeton, up all those hills pushing a barrow. Funny thing!! the ice cream man is just passing as I write. Joe Gizzi's barrow did not play Greensleaves !!

http://discuss.glasgowguide.co.uk/lofiversion/index.php/f18.html

I’ve no doubt that some of the dates & opinions stated above will be in need of correction, please feel free to add any info you may have.

NB: NB: Aerial colour photos courtesy of My Kitten.
kev

Looks good H. will have a good gander tomorrow.
Fjord

Sterling bit of detective work yet again HH I'd never thought a topic about an 1930's Ice Cream vendor could be so enlightening.  

Good to see the Heavy Chimney Evidence ­® is still delivering the goods
james73

Outstanding, HH - at your age, I never knew you had it in you, faither...




James H
HollowHorn

Fjord wrote:
Good to see the Heavy Chimney Evidence ­® is still delivering the goods

aye, I wondered who would be first to spot that.  
Alex Glass

HH the Master Researcher    

Nice piece of work and full of very interesting information and the photos are awesome
james73

Re: Gizzi hauls ice to Glenfield Street.

HollowHorn wrote:
Here is a modern view from 'Windows Live Local' I think that part of Glenfield St. may still partially exists as a thoroughfare. James Orr St. I would guess to have been where the orange line runs (perhaps a tad to the right). All of the new buildings are in place and the multi storey can be clearly seen. Sadly, the boiler house chimney stack has gone too



I’ve no doubt that some of the dates & opinions stated above will be in need of correction, please feel free to add any info you may have.

Looked at my old maps and I reckon this is where the streets used to be. The newer
parts of the Royal Infirmary obliterated the original part of Alexandra Parade.

Alexandra Parade Warnock Street James Orr Street Glenfield Street




James H
HollowHorn

Fantastic stuff, James. I'd not realised that Alexandra Parade had shifted location. What a result! This takes the topic to a new level. Thank the gods for the internet.  

So, in a way, Glenfield St. still exists, that's good enough for me.
Stuball

Heres a map of the area dated around 1972 or so


james73

Stuball wrote:
Heres a map of the area dated around 1972 or so

Nice, though completely inaccurate. Alexandra Parade would never have been
shut off like that. Originally, it was diverted up onto the M8 before the newer part
of it swung past the new bit of the Royal. The exit onto Castle Street was used
as an "off ramp."

This is that area, apparently, from 1967. This pic was taken from the position
of the red arrow.




Got any more of that map??  


James H
Stuball

Got plenty more of the map.... its just a pain in the arse to scan in

Interesting you think its inaccurate... it was produced from the OS map by 'Geographia Ltd'
james73

Stuball wrote:
Got plenty more of the map.... its just a pain in the arse to scan in

Interesting you think its inaccurate... it was produced from the OS map by 'Geographia Ltd'

I have one of these streetmaps, Stuball (as does Dr Scallop) - their accuracy
leaves a lot to be desired. Even O/S maps of the time were not 100%. Remember,
of course, that this particular area of the city was undergoing total obliteration.
It's hardly a surprise that the maps were not totally correct.



James H
Stuball

Heres the section I scanned in before cropping


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3536/3223681526_8c0e4f73d4_o.jpg
james73



Cheers. Looking at that, there's a lot of transitional street arrangements. Note the
dotted line extension of Renfrew Street, later to become Killermont Street.

I think the one I have is an edition or two before that.

Here's Dr Scallops scan of the same area.




James H
Stuball

That one looks alot more recent. On the one I've posted, I noticed North Hanover St has been realigned and extended to Dobbies Loan, cutting across Parliamentry road
james73

Stuball wrote:
That one looks alot more recent. On the one I've posted, I noticed North Hanover St has been realigned and extended to Dobbies Loan, cutting across Parliamentry road

On the one you posted, North Hanover Street also cut across Parliamentry Road,
and this was still the case until the western part of Parliamentry Road was finally
cut off to traffic. The dotted line extension to Renfrew Street I mentioned earlier
was opened, I'd say, around c.1984 and that was when Parliamentry Road was
reduced to a surface car park. The council had a hard-on for "re-aligning" that
part of the city centre.

The eastern part of Parliamentry Road was severed when the Townhead/Saint
Mungo Avenue estate was built, though the main road was still being used when
the four towerblocks were built.

Parliamentry Road was effectively replaced with the extension of Baird Street
to the Castle Street/Royston Road/Springburn Road junction. The Monkland Canal
had previously marked the eastern end of Baird Street.



James H
Scary

Brilliant thread, great work guys
Alex Glass

As I said before great work HH but Stu and James - you have both added some great detail to such a small part of Glasgow and noted the vast changes that have taken place.

I regularly travelled on the bus through the junction of Castle Street and Alexander Parade. I had forgotten how it was re-routed as part of the development of the motorway and this made space of the later development at the Royal. It regularly took up to about 20 minutes just to get thought this junction before the changes and then a further 20 minutes to get along Alexandra Parade.

Thanks for bringing back memories I had forgotten about. I wouldn't say they were happy memories but with the passage of time it is good to recall from the darker recesses of your memory things you had forgotten.
HollowHorn

Best view yet of Glenfield St:

Undated:
kev

Great pic HH great perspective on how Glebe st and Castle st were linked with the likes of Parson st and Stirling rd
Hadnt been able to picture fully how the area fitted together..
Stuball

Different angle, but from 2007 :)


james73

HollowHorn wrote:
Best view yet of Glenfield St:

Undated:

 Cracker. Where did ye get that one from?


James H
HollowHorn

PM sent.
Alex Glass

Stuball wrote:
Different angle, but from 2007 :)




Was that taken from your helecopter Stu  

The white dot at the bottom within the Necropolis is the Cheapside Memorial.



Sorry to go off topic
HollowHorn

Do you know, to my shame, I've never seen that memorial. Thanks for that Alex.
Alex Glass

I am tempted to post more but will look for the proper thread
falseface

HollowHorn wrote:
Do you know, to my shame, I've never seen that memorial. Thanks for that Alex.


aye you have when you were with me
Stuball

Alex Glass wrote:

Was that taken from your helecopter Stu  
Yup
streapadair

Doesn't add much to this interesting thread, but here's the west side of Glenfield St from Warnock St, looking up to Ally Parade.

25/3/73, must have been near the end for this little enclave, before being oblooterated by the Royal (which seems to be encroaching already).

HollowHorn

Bah! Beat me to it!  
townheadboy

streapadair wrote:
Doesn't add much to this interesting thread, but here's the west side of Glenfield St from Warnock St, looking up to Ally Parade.

25/3/73, must have been near the end for this little enclave, before being oblooterated by the Royal (which seems to be encroaching already).



I used to live in james orr street next street to glenfield
that side that is in the pic I considered it to be on the posh side
as a kid I was  scared to run through the closes as there was doors
there leading into the backyards
as the years went by the posh people moved out and the poor people
moved in
that pic brings back memories  it show my house pulled down
and only waste ground left
anybody else live in james orr

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