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East of the Cross - Discussion Thread

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Please keep all comments about East of the Cross images in here folks.  
glasgowken

Magnificent  
james73

streapadair wrote:
291 Greenhead St. Unless the photo is unintentionally distorted, that wall is bulging rather badly. Maybe these fine tenements had to come down, but what I can’t understand is why the site is still vacant, with its pleasant outlook across the river to Richmond Park.




 That's one helluva bulge in that wall. Dunno why the site hasn't been built on
since Isn't the Argyle railway line right underneath there? Might've been causing
the subsidence?


James H
james73

streapadair wrote:
Glenfield St, from where Warnock St had been.  This little enclave, a square (or parallelogram) formed by Alexandra Parade (N), James Orr St (E), Warnock St (S), and Glenfield St (W), was in process of being obliterated. The extension to the Royal Infirmary now occupies the site.   March 1973


Excellent. HH will be interested in this one.



James H
cybers

Streapadair What a mine of informative photographs you have turned out to be.
I am sure myself and everyone on here fully apprieciates the time taken scanning and uploading these wonderful collections must take you.
Please keep them coming some memories returned some buildings i never knew existed and some empty spaces filled.
Thank you so much for sharing.

streapadair wrote:
Ummm. Anyone got any idea? I’ve no note for it, but it must have been somewhere between Yate St and the Eastern Necropolis entrance. I thought it might be the cemetery gatehouse,  but it’s definitely not the same building, nor do the pillars or railings match. Over to UG’s collective knowledge.  March 1976






Holywell Street School Perhaps ... Kinda remember playing in a very similar building as a Barrowfield Sprogg if i remember correctly it was near the gallowgate end on the opposite side from the Cardowan Creamery.
HollowHorn

Not only are the photographs astounding, but once again you have provided captions (both witty & informative) to match. Wonderful.

Interesting platform soles on the guy with the cane  


Aw maaaaaan, look at that wee wummin! Fantastic!
Stuball

I think these guys still hang around there

fastnet

Just spent a great half hour looking at these pics and the storyline.

They are utterly fantastic......    
james73

Stuball wrote:
I think these guys still hang around there


That's some fire they had goin. I'd be proud of that meself in a burnin-wid-tastic type way....




James H
Scary

Excellent stuff once again streapadair
I was amazed at how much of that end of the city i recognised.
The guys round the fire could be the cast from Last of the summer wine  
fastnet

Scary wrote:

The guys round the fire could be the cast from Last of the summer wine  


Last of the summer wino's surely ?    
Fjord

Yet another astounding and informative collection that you've shared with us. Get along to a drinks night and the drams are on me.

Hope you don't mind me taking a closer look and dissecting it to pull out some of the marvellous details.

This photo of the corner Dairy at Greenhead Street stood out for many reasons firstly it was the stone balustrade adorning the roof, was there ever many that had such a fine detail.
Secondly the general streetscape showing the small details that have now long vanished.



Lets take a closer look at a typical Glasgow cornershop dairy. Check out the old Player's No.6 sign and the yellow roll top bin minus it's black topped springy lid. The old school Walls Ice cream sign and ads for Solripe soft drinks.

I'd love to know what the poster 'Give a little for those who gave a lot' was all about?



Classic GPO Commer van with roof mounted ladder rack and flashing (amber) light alongside a bog standard Mk2 Ford Escort van.



Last but not least a couple of Xmas tree's with tinsel and baubles in the parlour windows.

HollowHorn

Fjord wrote:
I'd love to know what the poster 'Give a little for those who gave a lot' was all about?

An appeal for donations to Erskine hospital for ex-servicemen perhaps?
Fjord

HollowHorn wrote:
Fjord wrote:
I'd love to know what the poster 'Give a little for those who gave a lot' was all about?

An appeal for donations to Erskine hospital for ex-servicemen perhaps?


Very plausible as it doesn't look like the Earl Haig fund or anything to do with blood donation. At first glance I thought it was Christian Aid Week.
HollowHorn

I contacted the guy who runs this site:
http://realcaltontongs.freewebspace.com/

& he states that "The guy on the far right is none other than Bertie Alphonsus Clark, aka the Gallagate American, he lived above the Saracens Head pub at 211 Gallagate"


Here is a later photo of Mr. Clark:


He also said that he will ask around to put names to the other faces.
Fjord

Good work DCI Hollowhorn
HollowHorn

283-311 Greenhead St.


Looking at this detail, is the guy a lamplighter, were they still around in the 70's? The ladder is far too small to be a window cleaners.
Fjord

HollowHorn wrote:
283-311 Greenhead St.

Looking at this detail, is the guy a lamplighter, were they still around in the 70's? The ladder is far too small to be a window cleaners.


More likely an electrician from Glasgow Corporation Lighting Dept. checking the closes for blown light bulbs. Note the Players No.6 hangin' out his mouth.

Stuball

Fjord wrote:
Note the Players No.6 hangin' out his mouth.


Jeysus, how can you tell that from there?
Fjord

Stuball wrote:
Fjord wrote:
Note the Players No.6 hangin' out his mouth.


Jeysus, how can you tell that from there?


I simply deduced that he was swayed by the bold Player's No.6 advertisement hanging outside the shop he had just passed in nearby Greenhead Street. See pic above for heavy cigarette evidence.

Conversely it may have been a Lyons Maid mini milk ice lolly hangin' from his mouth which he purchased from aforementioned shop in defiance of the large Walls Ice cream advert that confronted him on the exterior wall as he entered the Dairy.
Bear in mind that the photo was taken in January thus sensibly ruling out a random purchase from the freezer chest and heavily lends weight to the purchase of fags.        

Fags- Ice Lollies whatever? It's over to you Holmes
Stuball

Fjord wrote:
Stuball wrote:
Fjord wrote:
Note the Players No.6 hangin' out his mouth.


Jeysus, how can you tell that from there?


I simply deduced that he was swayed by the bold Player's No.6 advertisement hanging outside the shop he had just passed in nearby Greenhead Street. See pic above for heavy cigarette evidence.

Conversely it may have been a Lyons Maid mini milk ice lolly hangin' from his mouth which he purchased from aforementioned shop in defiance of the large Walls Ice cream advert that confronted him on the exterior wall as he entered the Dairy.
Bear in mind that the photo was taken in January thus sensibly ruling out a random purchase from the freezer chest and heavily lends weight to the purchase of fags.        

Fags- Ice Lollies whatever? It's over to you Holmes


it could be a Nicroette Inhalator because he's trying to quit....
james73

Stuball wrote:
it could be a Nicroette Inhalator because he's trying to quit....

It was the 70s - smoking was good for you back then...



James H
Fjord

Stuball wrote:
wrote:
it could be a Nicroette Inhalator because he's trying to quit....



Remember Holmes were talking 1974 not 2009... With the all the evidence gathered so far I reckon he was heavily into Players No.6  who changed lightbulbs up closes in tenements up the east end although this is purely conjecture.
glasgowken

My dad was a postie in the mid 1970's and remembers going into some closes that were still lit by gas.
cybers

Fjord wrote:
Stuball wrote:
Fjord wrote:
Note the Players No.6 hangin' out his mouth.


Jeysus, how can you tell that from there?


I simply deduced that he was swayed by the bold Player's No.6 advertisement hanging outside the shop he had just passed in nearby Greenhead Street. See pic above for heavy cigarette evidence.

Conversely it may have been a Lyons Maid mini milk ice lolly hangin' from his mouth which he purchased from aforementioned shop in defiance of the large Walls Ice cream advert that confronted him on the exterior wall as he entered the Dairy.
Bear in mind that the photo was taken in January thus sensibly ruling out a random purchase from the freezer chest and heavily lends weight to the purchase of fags.        

Fags- Ice Lollies whatever? It's over to you Holmes


Fackin hell Fjord are you and the Chief Inspector the same person... I read that in total amazement Hang the bassa Guilty as charged.....
AlanM

I remember a wee old man who turned on and off the close lights in Partick, carried a ladder like that and a "bag o' bulbs" to replace the duds.

Around the end of the 70's or start of the 80's the council started replacing the guys with photosensors to automatically turn the lights on and off. Meant that the wee man could cover more closes as he was just checking the bulbs and doing it less frequently.


Now they replace all the lamps and starters every time they check, whether their blown or not
sputnik

brilliant thread folks,i think the shop poster was defo a poppy appeal given the time of year the photo was taken.
norrie

Hi streapadair, you have surpassed yourself, thanks for posting all those great photos of various areas in the east end, some gaps will be able to be filled thanks to you.
I will ask my webmaster about the Bridgeton photos you dont have a handle on.
Thanks again for the great show.
Bye for now, norrie
streapadair

Thanks for the replies, an excellent thread.

I never imagined I'd ever get a name for any of the guys at the bonfire, amazing stuff HH. Interesting link too.

Cybers, I'm pretty sure your identification is spot on, fits perfectly with my proceeding in an easterly direction from Camlachie St. Was the school Camlachie Primary? X marks the spot I think I must have taken the photo from -


I'm taking careful note of these offers, Professor Fjord, and will redeem them some day.
norrie

Woops admin, sorry for posting on wrong thread, thanks to ever moved it here.
Getting some of the names of the guys in the back court, well what can I say, thats some feat.
Bye for now, norrie
HollowHorn

streapadair wrote:
I'm taking careful note of these offers, Professor Fjord, and will redeem them some day.

Och, what the hell, I'll throw in a half pint too.  
Alex Glass



Wow

It is just fantastic on here. You don't sign in for a couple of days and when you do you get treated to such a wonderful collection. Great to see so many place I pass often.
gallowgategal

streapadair wrote:



Once again really brilliant streapadir, I recognise loads of places. The photo above would have been taken just a few hundred yards up the road from me, I stay between Belgrove St and Sword St.  
norrie

Hi gallowgategal, nice to see you on here.
Great photos right enough.
Bye for now, norrie
gallowgategal

Hi norrie  

I just love looking through these photos and the 70s threads are my favourites  

Looking forward to seeing more of streapadair's photos  
ChasR

streapadair wrote:
Renfrew St, north side between Renfield St and Hope St. If this building was ever symmetrical (and old maps show a school at the vacant east end) it must have been very handsome indeed.  November 1973




Lanyon Cook Saleroom

Curtis Lanyon Cook worked the Barras and Market days in towns up and the Country for years selling canteens of cutlery, pillows household goods etc.from the back of a big van.

He last had a small stall at the corner of Kent Street and Moncur Street selling watches. Has sadly passed away . A character and a half
Hamski

Great photies Streapadair.Keep them coming
Riverside Boy

Having just discovered this site all I can say is 'it is enough to make a grown man greet'.  There are some absolutely magnificent black and white photographs of the Calton , Bridgeton , Camlachie ,Dalmarnock , Parkhead...streapadair do you have any more. Well done to all involved.

PS

Sorry folks I have already posted the same message on the actual photo board could someone remove it for me.

Many thanks
cybers

Welcome to UG there Riverside Boy.... Reference to the jail no doubt  
As an ex lag myself i hated the place
streapadair

Glad you enjoyed them, Riverside Boy (and Hamski, gallowgategal, others too). I'm very unlikely to find any more east end stuff (or City or Gorbals or Townhead), archive cleaned right out, but there's some southwest and northwest pictures still up my sleeve, fullness of time and all that.
norrie

Hi strepadair, your photos have been a delight to all of us.
I know I have enjoyed the ones from Gorbals best of all.
Look forward to your next topic.
Bye for now norrie
Riverside Boy

Gallowgate building



The building was in the Gallowgate between Society Street and Invernairn Street and directly facing Janefield Cemetery. The building had only one close entry to the front on the far right the second close could only be entered from the entry in the back court. The swing park is long gone and the building on the right was the offices of Twaddle the Plumbers before being taken over by Hunter & Clark whose yards now cover the whole area.
Riverside Boy

HollowHorn wrote:
"The guy on the far right is none other than Bertie Alphonsus Clark, aka the Gallagate American, he lived above the Saracens Head pub at 211 Gallagate"


.


I can confirm it is wee Bertie who as you say lived above the Sarry. Many a night we had a laugh with him in the old pub when he used to amuse us with his 'you dirty rat' impressions.
HollowHorn

Did you meet any of the other guys in the photo?
Riverside Boy

The last of the summer wine...

Sadly not that I could remember. Wee Bertie was just one of those guys who was never 'oot yer face in the Sarry'...but a laugh all the same. Mind you Big Angus would try and move him on if he thought he was bothering you, Nevertheless we were all young and mad with it after playing fitba and slipping glasses of 'white tornado' into each others pints of 'chammy' and got absolutely rat arsed into the bargain. Wee Berie used to do a Jimmy Cagney routine but we used to say 'ur you suppossed to be George Raft'. A great wee character and I have to say it was a pleasure to meet him...mind you we called him the 'Gallowgate Yankee'.
streapadair

Superb, RB, thanks. I'll put your info in the caption, if that's ok.

You've put it between Society and Invernairn. Norrie's been in touch with a woman who remembers playing on the swings, and she puts it between Holywell St and the cemetery gates. Any chance you could pinpoint the block on this map, there's a couple of vacant bits where a swingpark could be.



Bertie Alphonsus sounds like a great character, wish I'd spent a bit more time with him.
Riverside Boy

Gallowgate swingpark...

Difficult to pinpoint it on the map shown...I'll have to look a 1960's map to be certain. I know exactly where it was if I was to go down there today and it was definitely on the north side of the Gallowgate between Society Street and Invernairn Street. I used to play in it regularly when visiting my relatives in 1313 Gallowgate which was further along he Gallowgate directly facing Barrs,
Riverside Boy

Looking at it again I would say it is where the first question mark is...if you look closely you will seen on the map how a close is marked in the building next to it and no close entry marked on the close next to it which would back up what I said about there being only one close entry in the two close building.
Riverside Boy



Taken from roughly the same spot...note the buildings at the back which are now the offices of Hunter & Clark looking east towards the Cross at Parkhead.



Looking west down the Gallowgate.
Riverside Boy

According to my wee pal Peter Mortimer a Camlachie historian the information he has is as follows...in regards to the map shown.

Left to right

Tenements 1111 to 1113 Gallowgate

Playground

1141 Gallowgate = Hartshead Works (McCrae & Drew's) hair works
streapadair

Noted, RB. Thanks again.
Hugo Drax

I just want to say thanks to you. This is the most wonderful collection of photographs of the city I have seen.

Many thanks for sharing.
samscafeamericain

Hugo Drax wrote:
I just want to say thanks to you. This is the most wonderful collection of photographs of the city I have seen.

Many thanks for sharing.




Have to also say thanks, I was born in Monteith Row but never knew what the place looked like, we moved west when I was a toddler.

Great pics guys
Eddy

Wonderful. Thank you Streapadair.

Eddy
carsee

brilliant pics thanks for the memories.
antsplan

Good god man, this is absolutely stunning photography.

This is a treasure and I commend you highly.  Thank you sincerely for posting these works.  I enjoyed every image.

Regards

A
mondobongo

Quote:
Foot of Claythorn St from the corner of Bankier St, with the dome of the People’s Palace beyond Morris Place.  December 1975



Wow Streapadair        

Nothing of this remains, not even the street layouts. I never thought I'd see this scene again.

Thanks a lot!

mo
Chief Inspector

Streapadair, you made me cry again !  Thank you.
calamity

streapadair wrote:
Corner of Newhall St and Greenhead St S.E. I took a few shots of the far end of Greenhead St one afternoon, but don’t have a date for them - spring of 1975 seems likely.  



283-311 Greenhead St.

these photos are brilliant well done..

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