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110 Year of Electrification of Glasgow's Transport

Heres one for all those tram and train buffs.

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james73

Nice. Is this a big book or what?



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Just a few pages
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kev

Not old enough to remember the trams but its interesting to see how many of the cable support brackets there are on tenements throughout the city,there,s loads of them. In Vinicombe st in the west end next to Byres rd there,s an old building that has a doorway that looks as if it was made for trams..its now some fancy shop..will take a pic at the weekend and see if anyone knows what the building was for.
Alex Glass

Look forward to seeing you photos posted here Kev

I have re-posted the last two images to a higher resolution so that it is easier to read
Stuball

It was a car park/garage Kev.... Arnold Clark have been in talks (arguements) about its future
kev

Stu.. its on the other side of the road just across from a pub called booly mardys.Its a red sandstone building
Stuball

Hmm... dont think there was a tram depot on Hillhead. Could have been a fire station or the likes
kev

Will take afew pics  on Friday.. Dont think it was a tram depot myself as its too small but it has this massive arched door about 5 or 6 metres high with a cobbled entrance .
AlanM

that's an electricity substation
Fjord

Cheers for posting that Alex  

Here's a couple of snaps that have some relevance to the topic

Glasgow Central 1974







Glasgow Central Signalling Centre (Salkeld Street) which closed for good a last month  
Stuball

Is that guy wearing a bowler hat?  
Alex Glass

Thanks for posting these photos Fjord. Hopefully others will have more that they can post up here.
kev

Alex.. just got to thinking about this electrification business.. I work in Longannet power station which provides a s*it load of power to the grid.. even though its falling apart and went on strike today. where were the power stations that served Glasgow in the early days..not Pinkston which was for the trams but for domestic users and the shipyards and the like..
cybers

Dalmarnock springs to mind i was at that blaw doon as a wean.... dragged along with ma da to git ma lungs filled with brick dust and no doubt asbestos  
sputnik

was there not power stations in yoker and braehead?
AlanM

sputnik wrote:
was there not power stations in yoker and braehead?


there were indeed
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kev9 wrote:
Alex.. just got to thinking about this electrification business.. I work in Longannet power station which provides a s*it load of power to the grid.. even though its falling apart and went on strike today. where were the power stations that served Glasgow in the early days..not Pinkston which was for the trams but for domestic users and the shipyards and the like..


Maybe a look at the old aerial photos will show signs of where the old power stations for domestic use where located

Could be a whole new thread of it's own. I will try and find out if there are any records held within the Council.
kev

Vinicombe street in the west end

Looks like AlanM was right about the sub station as there are danger signs to the right of the archway ..would love to know why the door is so big











kev

Took a few pics of the tram cable support brackets in case anyone is not familiar with what these adornments on many tenements are








Alex Glass

Well done Kev

There are lots of these brackets on buildings all over the city.
Fjord

Re: Vinicombe street in the west end

kev9 wrote:


Looks like AlanM was right about the sub station as there are danger signs to the right of the archway ..would love to know why the door is so big


Might have been for access for installing and removing very large mercury vapour rectifier's (converts AC to DC) which were the Hi Tech of the early 20th century?
kev

Your probably right Fjord  would love to see an pic taken in its heyday...sure one will turn up from somewhere
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A colleague loaned me this book.



Electrification









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The Cathcart Circle

The Cathcart Circle

Maxwell Park



Maxwell Park Station



Maxwell Park Singnalbox

james73

That first pic is a DMU - prior to electric services running? Or a lecky fault?

The second is of a 'Blue Train' with the wrap-around cab windows removed, so possibly
mid-1970s or so?



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Alex Glass

Bow to your superior knowledge James

Mount Florida

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Pollokshaws East



Pollokshaws East Signalbox

james73

Alex Glass wrote:
Bow to your superior knowledge James

Mount Florida


Again, a DMU. I can see the wires on the track above the train so either another
lecky fault or prior to EMU services.  



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Muirhouse Junction

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Queen's Park Signalbox

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Shawlands Station

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Inside a Cathcart Circle Signalbox

james73

Alex Glass wrote:
Queen's Park Signalbox


Doesn't look like too bad a place to work. That looks like a coal cellar at the back,
and a lum from a stove on the right. He must've been roasty-toasty in there in
the winter....  
   



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Alex Glass

What about that mop      

Must be smelling and they put it out to air
Mad Mac

james73 wrote:
That first pic is a DMU - prior to electric services running? Or a lecky fault?

The second is of a 'Blue Train' with the wrap-around cab windows removed, so possibly mid-1970s or so?


First pic is one of the Edinburgh-Glasgow units in its original green livery, so probably pre-electric. The wrap-around windows were removed from the EMUs in the mid-70s as they were very vandal-prone and expensive to replace.
Mad Mac

james73 wrote:
Alex Glass wrote:
Bow to your superior knowledge James

Mount Florida


Again, a DMU. I can see the wires on the track above the train so either another lecky fault or prior to EMU services.  


This one's 1970s, the DMU's in Rail Blue with yellow ends. Also, the platform number signs have replaced the white on blue nationalisation era signs. This would have been during the West Coast electrification when there was a total shutdown between Newton and Polmadie for track lowering and Hamilton Circle/Shotts line services were diverted via the Cathcart Circle.
Mad Mac

Alex Glass wrote:
Inside a Cathcart Circle Signalbox



That's the early 1960s Muirhouse Junction box, which only lasted until about 1973 when Glasgow Central took over control. It's the brick building that's still there today.
kev

wonderful old films



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yDSy0oMu9g&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuIVabDdbWU&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yf7aItTPDbg&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kO2DmTnXlDA&feature=related
Alex Glass

to Urban Glasgow Mad Mac  

Thanks for confirming the details. I thought it would be more interesting to post the pictures rather than copy the details from the book as there are lots of people on here with lots and lots of knowledge about these old trains and is much more interactive. It always surprises me the extent of everyone's knowledge on here


Will try and watch the videos later Kev

Thanks
james73

Mad Mac wrote:
This one's 1970s, the DMU's in Rail Blue with yellow ends. Also, the platform number signs have replaced the white on blue nationalisation era signs. This would have been during the West Coast electrification when there was a total shutdown between Newton and Polmadie for track lowering and Hamilton Circle/Shotts line services were diverted via the Cathcart Circle.

Thanks for the info Mad Mac.    I forgot that it's possible to go to Hamilton from
the Cathcart Circle.

And to the forum.


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glasgowken

When was the last curved windscreens replaced ?  I remember them well i'm sure it was much more late 1970's than mid   No ?
james73

glasgowken wrote:
When was the last curved windscreens replaced ?  I remember them well i'm sure it was much more late 1970's than mid   No ?

According to Jim Howies website:

Apr 1975 - Units start appearing with high-impact windscreens, first units noted
are 005, 024, 032, 098 & 103

It's possible it took a right few years to complete the modification on all the units.


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kev

Sauchiehall St

sputnik

as usual,you wait ages for a 33 and then........
Alex Glass

kev9 wrote:
wonderful old films



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yDSy0oMu9g&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuIVabDdbWU&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yf7aItTPDbg&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kO2DmTnXlDA&feature=related



Just realised I ken these videos well
kev

Found this on another site

kev

Fantastic site here http://www.semple.biz/index.htm
absolutly full of pictures like these and great historical transport articles






make sure and read "the bus conductor story"
james73

 Great site with some excellent info.



James H
kev

Anyone know what this was about


pic is a bit small..not sure how to make bigger
kev

text at bottom of page

james73



I don't know much about this but I'm sure GK will be along presently to tell us...  


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Stuball

The text is italian and from what I can make out, the tram suddenly diverted and had to reverse to the fear of passengers
glasgowken

james73 wrote:


I don't know much about this but I'm sure GK will be along presently to tell us...  


James H

Nope.















Well ok    this is a repeat of a post I made in 'another place'  

It happened on the 18th May 1931, the car was traveling at speed along Dumbarton Road when it jumped the points at the Scotstoun Emporium. The motorman was thrown under the front bogie, and killed.
If I remember correctly there was some discussion as to the possiblity of the points moving while the tram was passing over them.
Alex Glass

If its a good story it is always worth repeating
Mad Mac

Alex Glass wrote:
Pollokshaws East



Just coming back to this one, it's an interesting picture in that the Motherwell-Glasgow via Kirkhill trains didn't usually run via Maxwell Park. There was, IIRC, one train around lunchtime on Saturdays ex Motherwell that did (possibly what's known as a "parliamentary" train). Also, there wasn't such a headcode as '2H' (should have been '19').
rotten milk

incidentally, which services in the area would've had a 4-character headcode of '2Hxx'?

perhaps they used '2H' as it was a 'non-standard' service, not otherwise covered by the usual numerical headcode (which was the last 2 digits of the full 4-character headcode)?
Fjord

rotten milk wrote:
incidentally, which services in the area would've had a 4-character headcode of '2Hxx'?

perhaps they used '2H' as it was a 'non-standard' service, not otherwise covered by the usual numerical headcode (which was the last 2 digits of the full 4-character headcode)?


There was a leaflet published at the time that gave information on the route numbers and destinations it's kicking about somewhere.

Although not displayed on the 303 unit above the last 2 digits would probably be just like today's headcodes where odd numbers would be for Up trains and Even numbers for Down trains and not relevant to the public as it's more of a concern to Drivers and Signalmen.

eg: the full headcode would look something like this 2H15 Which denotes its a class 2 stopping train- H is the route code and the numerics are the train number.

I hope that makes sense
rotten milk

that's what i meant fjord - normally there would be '15' or whatever (i.e. the last 2 numbers)
but i just thought that they maybe displayed '2H' for some reason and was wondering which trains were designated '2Hxx' in the glasgow area?

if it was a non-normal service, maybe they used the general '2H' instead of the service-specific 'xx'
i.e. which route on these lines/glasgow area was given the route code 'H'?

don't know if it's been put up before, but there's an explanation of the usual headcodes at:

http://www.jhowie.force9.co.uk/303tributepage5.htm

Marti

On the subject of crashed caurs...are there any pics of the collision of the tram and lorry which happenend on shettleston rd in the late 50s/early 60s...???
Alycidon

rotten milk wrote:
that's what i meant fjord - normally there would be '15' or whatever (i.e. the last 2 numbers)
but i just thought that they maybe displayed '2H' for some reason and was wondering which trains were designated '2Hxx' in the glasgow area?

if it was a non-normal service, maybe they used the general '2H' instead of the service-specific 'xx'
i.e. which route on these lines/glasgow area was given the route code 'H'?

don't know if it's been put up before, but there's an explanation of the usual headcodes at:

http://www.jhowie.force9.co.uk/303tributepage5.htm



The tables on my website show the all number headcodes as they were in the late 1960s/early 1970s (possibly recast in 1967 with the introduction of the Gourock/Weymss Bay services), I have subsequently found that when the electric services on the south side started in 1962 they used an alpha numeric system.  I have a 1964 timetable in the house and I will try and get a list tonight
Alycidon

Here we go , as promised.  From the 1964 BR Scottish Region Timetable

H/Code     Destination/Route
21 Cathcart Outer Circle
22 Cathcart Inner Circle
23 To/From Kirkhill via Maxwell Park
24 To/From Kirkhill via Queens Park

26 To/From Neilston

2D To/From Motherwell via Queens Park
2H To/From Motherwell via Maxwell Park

Mad Mac's memory is spot on with his observation about the rarity of the Motherwell via Maxwell Park Services, in midweek anyhow.  The 1964 timetable show no midweek services from Glasgow to Motherwell vis Maxwell Park, and in the other wayonly one 2H Mon-Fri, the 5:16PM from Motherwell to Glasgow Central, and one on Saturday the 12:06PM from Motherwell to Glasgow Central.  The 2H was however regular on Sundays with the half hourly Motherwell to Glasgow Central and return services alternating between Queens Park and Maxwell Park.
On this basis the photograph was most likely taken on a Sunday.

If anyone wants to start a thread on timetable queries, go ahead, I have timetables of all Glasgow train services 1922, 1959, 1964 and working timetables for 1969 and some 1984 services and would be willing to answer any questions

Anyone spot anything else interesting about the unit in the photo?  it is unit 011, which in it's later guise of 303011 was one of the two units that performed the last run of the class 303s in 2002.  

Jim
Mad Mac

Alycidon wrote:
The 2H was however regular on Sundays with the half hourly Motherwell to Glasgow Central and return services alternating between Queens Park and Maxwell Park.
On this basis the photograph was most likely taken on a Sunday.


Interesting....my recollection from the 70s was that there was no Sunday service on the West side of the Circle at all. When did it stop?
Alycidon

Mad Mac wrote:
Alycidon wrote:
The 2H was however regular on Sundays with the half hourly Motherwell to Glasgow Central and return services alternating between Queens Park and Maxwell Park.
On this basis the photograph was most likely taken on a Sunday.


Interesting....my recollection from the 70s was that there was no Sunday service on the West side of the Circle at all. When did it stop?


Checked the 1970 Working Time Table and all Sunday services on the Circle via Maxwell Park had been withdrawn, along with all Neilston Line services, which had been half hourly in 1964.  The weekdays one train a day 17:06 from Motherwell to Glasgow Central still ran via Maxwell Park, but by now the headcode displayed was 19, or 2E19 as indicated by the WTT (2=stopping service, E= electric service via Muirhouse Jn and Circle Lines, 19 = Motherwell via Maxwell Park).

Jim
Alycidon

Some other Blue Train Photpgraphs

Unit 032 near Uddingston on 21st january 1963

Balloch - Bridgeton train at Dumbarton 06/11/1960

An unidentified unit at Uddingston on the first day of service, 29th May 1962, There's that 2H headcode again!!!

Near Dumbarton (These next four by Jim Guthrie)



Royal Duty


Jim
Stuball

Jock58

Alycidon wrote:
Some other Blue Train Photpgraphs

Jim


Great set of photos
Jock58 wonders if the wee dug won the race    

Jock58
samscafeamericain

Jock58 wrote:
Alycidon wrote:
Some other Blue Train Photpgraphs

Jim


Great set of photos
Jock58 wonders if the wee dug won the race    

Jock58


the wee dug was racing to Dalreoch, it had an important meeting in Helensburgh
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Jim


Wonder what this young boy was doing and what happened to his wee pal

Great set pf photos

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